Steinberg has released Cubase 14

[nusound mind]

Question, will 14 replace version 13 automatically if I upgrade? Like can I specify an install location for 14 to keep 13 as it is? Or will it just install 14 alongside 13?

I'll likely upgrade unless it replaces 13 entirely and there's no way to keep both versions.

You can keep and use both, but I'll bet that if you get 14, you'll only want to use that.

Yeah that's likely, the main reason si to have 13 in the wings in case something about 14, bugs etc. disagrees with my setup in some way.

In any case thank you both for some reassurance, I'm looking forward to 14. Think it's a contender to take the place of S16.5 but Studio One is so comfortable and familiar, it will take some push against inertia to get there. With14 just looking at it in on videos has me more motivated to get into than 13 managed to do. If Dawproject gets more sophisticated b/t them I can envision starting tracks in S1, or transferring others over there for cpu processing purposes.

[trusampler]

I was hoping Steinberg finally implemented AI for mediabay to read bpm and detect keys, but it seems they half baked it yet once again.

[Arnaud67]

Has anyone A/B Cubase 14 performances on a 14900K / Ryzen 9950X / M2 ultra or M3pro/M4 pro ?
Would love to know the results.

[_leras]

How much was the upgrade?

It's $310 from version 12. Which seems very overpriced.

Yeah, thanks.

Upgrade from Cubase Pro 12 to Cubase Pro 14 is $199.

Hmmm it converted it to NZD for me

Still, thats not super cheap considering ownership if a recent version.

[_leras]

I wonder why nobody is mentioning the drum synths they offer for the new drum machine...

I am really impressed so far how good they sound... (haven´t dived in too much though)
Everything 3rd party I tried or implementations into i.e. Bitwig and Ableton are 1. very basic and/or 2. sound very artificial while the new Cubase modules sound immediately like using my favourite samples but with tons of control...
There are of course many much more advanced Kick synths... but for Hihats, Snares, Claps etc... this is by a ton the best I heard so far...

I had missed this but it sounds very interesting.

They do seem to have added a lot into this release.

[kritikon]

How much was the upgrade?

It's $310 from version 12. Which seems very overpriced.

Yeah, thanks.

Upgrade from Cubase Pro 12 to Cubase Pro 14 is $199.

Hmmm it converted it to NZD for me

Still, thats not super cheap considering ownership if a recent version.

Yeah I agree. It's a reasonable upgrade price from one to the next but not so much from only 1 version back. To me it makes more sense to either go for next immediate version or wait for several version before upgrading. I used to do that and it was similar price for upgrading 4 or 5 versions as for 2nd version and offers way more value. But 14 does look tempting, despite that I thought 12->13 was a bit disappointing. If I go for this, then I'll probably leave 15 and 16 at least, as it really isn't good value unless it's a big update. I think my upgrade path has been something like Cubase 1 > 3.5 > SX2 > 10.5 > 12 > 13. If I add it up I would have spent bucketloads more doing every version, and a lot even going every second version (though I had to buy full new from SX2 into 10.5). Whereas personally I don't feel I missed out on much and saved myself heaps. Least value was the most recent 2 upgrades out of that lot - in hindsight I would have been better waiting and going 10.5 > 14 and missed out the guff in the middle (though that likely wouldn't have worked well cos of the dongle stuff)

[Jim Roseberry]

Has anyone A/B Cubase 14 performances on a 14900K / Ryzen 9950X / M2 ultra or M3pro/M4 pro ?
Would love to know the results.

Don't have Cubase 14 (I have Nuendo 13)... but I can tell you from multi-core performance that the speed of your listed CPUs is as follows.

9950x
14900k
M2 Ultra

I have all three here.
Might just spring for Cubase 14 and runs some Cubase specific tests.

[Alchemedia]

I was hoping Steinberg finally implemented AI for mediabay to read bpm and detect keys, but it seems they half baked it yet once again.

https://youtu.be/-wXFBgWi_tw

[PAK]

Has anyone A/B Cubase 14 performances on a 14900K / Ryzen 9950X / M2 ultra or M3pro/M4 pro ? Would love to know the results.

I think Steinberg have made some noises about less memory use, but the CPU performance appears to be the exact same as Cubase 13.. (At least on Apple Silicon). So anything you've see about Cubase 13 should apply to 14.

BTW Regarding numbers, the amount of variables are huge for DAW usage, which is partly why you don't see DAW benchmarks much in general tech coverage. It's not just about latency or buffers. EG I can create a patch in Diva, which will use barely any CPU, and one which will use a lot. Both would give very different impressions of performance, despite being the same plugin. So a lot depends on the awareness / motivations of those providing the numbers..

[sqigls]

How much was the upgrade?

It's $310 from version 12. Which seems very overpriced.

Yeah, thanks.

Upgrade from Cubase Pro 12 to Cubase Pro 14 is $199.

Hmmm it converted it to NZD for me

Still, thats not super cheap considering ownership if a recent version.

i advise in future buying the upgrade mid year (?), there is a sale on upgrades... then hold onto it. I paid AU$70 for the upgrade from 12 to 13 but still haven't activated it. v13 didn't do much for me, and 14 is about the same so i'll probably wait for v15 or 16 and get the free upgrade to that version. That's under 80 bucks NZ.

[DMG68]

How much was the upgrade?

It's $310 from version 12. Which seems very overpriced.

Yeah, thanks.

Upgrade from Cubase Pro 12 to Cubase Pro 14 is $199.

Hmmm it converted it to NZD for me

Still, thats not super cheap considering ownership if a recent version.

i advise in future buying the upgrade mid year (?), there is a sale on upgrades... then hold onto it. I paid AU$70 for the upgrade from 12 to 13 but still haven't activated it. v13 didn't do much for me, and 14 is about the same so i'll probably wait for v15 or 16 and get the free upgrade to that version. That's under 80 bucks NZ.

Absolutely, that’s what I do as well, wait for the upgrade sale and buy, then wait for the next version to see what’s new, upgrade when it suits me. This works as long as you don’t feel driven to always immediately have the latest version, or if there are features added that you’ve really been waiting for, then you can fight it, or give in.

[sqigls]

the only new features i've used in the last 10-15 years are re-orderable inserts, VST3 sidechaining and the ability to use my program without a dongle attached
i don't use Steinberg plugins or even audio files

coloured channels might be handy though. i just don't like the new UI. I'll wait until the next overhaul i think.

[qtheerearranger]

5 days into cubase i thought things would start to make sense - they haven't

its more powerful then Studio One - 100%!!! But its the way you work in that daw has serious moments that take you out of the flow. it is easily the most ive ever focused on learning a new daw. bitwigs modulation system and macro system was a joke to learn compared to cubase for me.

cubase huge pros -
1. the time stretching algorithms
2. Modulators specifically the envelope follower (i can do stepped automation [sequencer] and lfo shaped automation and even skew it in a lot of daws but i cant envelope follow)
2. sampler
3. better fx

presonus pls u got the zplane stem splitter get their algorithms we could be caught up on point 1 asap! bitwig even has better stretching then s1.

also u can tell the presonus devs worked on cubase. i thought i read a while ago some of the presonus devs still do contract work for steinberg here and there? is this true?

im going to stay on s1 right now and maybe spend an hour each day in cubase. I would love to feel more comfortable in it but I have work i need to get done so this is as far as i can take the test now.

[_leras]

i advise in future buying the upgrade mid year (?), there is a sale on upgrades... then hold onto it. I paid AU$70 for the upgrade from 12 to 13 but still haven't activated it. v13 didn't do much for me, and 14 is about the same so i'll probably wait for v15 or 16 and get the free upgrade to that version. That's under 80 bucks NZ.

thank you

This is the way!

[_leras]

the only new features i've used in the last 10-15 years are re-orderable inserts, VST3 sidechaining and the ability to use my program without a dongle attached

When you put it like that...

(I'm also not getting much value keeping Cubase up to date as I mainly use Bitwig.)

These happen three of the things that I actually love in Bitwig. The FX strip is so great and flexible, you can even group FX, split into separate chains. When you add in the channel grouping and the ease of adding local FX inside a group it's super powerful.

The Bitwig routing is also very good you can send audio to anywhere from anywhere, which gives a ton of side chaining options.