What more features are you hoping for?

[IIRs]

oh, and it would also preclude external hardware processing (using spare I/O) for any audio tracks in folders.. unless its applied to ALL the tracks in the folder.

<edit> @ valley

[ModuLR]

or you could add a destination to the list in a track's control panel... which would be "parent" ... that way, T maintain's everything it can do now.. but you have the option to reroute audio/midi on a track to the tracks "parent" (meaning it's parent folder).

[IIRs]

Tell you what I would like to see work more in that way though.. freezing a group should also minimise all tracks that route to it IMO.

[valley]

oh, and it would also preclude external hardware processing (using spare I/O) for any audio tracks in folders.. unless its applied to ALL the tracks in the folder.

preclude? not at all. It would make it a little fiddly perhaps, but it wouldn't preclude it.

[IIRs]

or you could add a destination to the list in a track's control panel... which would be "parent" ... that way, T maintain's everything it can do now.. but you have the option to reroute audio/midi on a track to the tracks "parent" (meaning it's parent folder).

Let me see if I understand you..

folder tracks would have a default routing, which would include folder effects, but which could be over-ridden manually if needed?

[IIRs]

I can't help thinking these suggestions are over complex though..

For once, the Cubase method (create as many folders as you like, and drag whatever you want into them) seems to me to be the simplest AND the most flexible.

[ModuLR]

Let me see if I understand you..

folder tracks would have a default routing, which would include folder effects, but which could be over-ridden manually if needed?

basically... that's the idea.. even better is that folder tracks could use the destination routing as well... such that folders are not limited to VST effects/synth.. the folder could have destination routing to an external synth or a specific audio output for bussing. However, it could all be overridden by not routing subtracks to "parent" and simple sending them whereever you want.

Personally, I think using folders to organize bussing and grouping is easier to comprehend visually, but this would permit both concepts to coexist peacefully.

[headquest]

ModuLR - your list is great - the work of a higher mind as always

Do you happen to know whether Jules has/is considering these ideas?

Regarding folder tracks, it's becoming a standard feature now... the latest Sonar/Fruityloops/Acid realeases all have some way of setting up folders. My gut feeling has been that Tracktion's clip-based paradigm made folders less relevant than for some of those others, because it is so easy to route a few things together.

Valley's suggestion also sound like a tidy solution...

Either way I think your various ideas would also provide another alternative to traditional "bussing", which would be most welcome. Racks of course are very flexible, but I can't help feeling they get away from Tracktion's user-friendly intuitive feel.

One of the really great things about Tracktion up until now has been the fact that Jules thought outside the box and came up with something that is not only different and original, but also far clearer and befitting a software context than the sequencers that went before. I really hope that some of your ideas - which I think are very fresh - get tested and if they work implemented. This is getting back to what we all loved about Tracktion in the first place!

[rpc9943]

Modulr, what specifically do you like about export links being kept? I personally don't want to have it laying around, and here's why. Okay in adobe audition you have a folder on the left with everything thats in the session (project). Simple and plain. When you load the session, the files are there. No need to play around with links or keeping links or deleting files by mistake. You simply press del to take it out of your project. How simple and efficient that is. Otherwise, say I had a few drum hits in the native sampler (of course i dont anymore) and then decided to go drum synth vsti. So i take out all of that, and then the links are left in my project folder. So I have to go one by one, and slowly erase it, but ensuring that i only erase the link to it. Don't you think that's an excessive trait? I personally do. I wish it were simpler and more efficient to just simply say "use this file" or dont use it. I don't get why it would keep file links like that, its really annyoing to me, if I'm missing out on something profound here, set me straight.

RonC

[headquest]

Incredibly I find myself with Ron on this one. I much prefer Audition's file management, and find Tracktion's fiddly. I can't work out how to purge unwanted audio takes in a simple time effective way.

[ModuLR]

Modulr, what specifically do you like about export links being kept? I personally don't want to have it laying around, and here's why. Okay in adobe audition you have a folder on the left with everything thats in the session (project). Simple and plain. When you load the session, the files are there. No need to play around with links or keeping links or deleting files by mistake. You simply press del to take it out of your project. How simple and efficient that is. Otherwise, say I had a few drum hits in the native sampler (of course i dont anymore) and then decided to go drum synth vsti. So i take out all of that, and then the links are left in my project folder. So I have to go one by one, and slowly erase it, but ensuring that i only erase the link to it. Don't you think that's an excessive trait? I personally do. I wish it were simpler and more efficient to just simply say "use this file" or dont use it. I don't get why it would keep file links like that, its really annyoing to me, if I'm missing out on something profound here, set me straight.

RonC

I look at it like a back up solution. If you used something that at one point you thought was worthwhile, it's link remains in the projects folder. All of the sources you considered are in your projects folder. You don't have to go digging for the files again should you change your mind. It's all right there.. and when it's time to finalize the project, you simply export your edit. This will give you all the nice and tidy elements within your project.

The way I look at is...

- The project folder represents your creative process and the pool of ideas from which you put your edit together. Some elements you use, some you don't.. but if you considered it.. it's there.

- The edit itself represents the results of your ideas. It contains the creation itself.

Keeping links allows you to go back to previous ideas without having to look for them on your drives.

I think I like this method because this is how things work on the Avid. As you bring source material into your project.. you never really delete it because it's a pool of material that you might use in the creative process. You do keep the material easily avalable to you in your bins. When all is said and done, and it's finalized, you cosolidate the project so it's only using the material needed. Then you are free to delete stuff.

anyway, that's why I like it...

[AD80]

I can't work out how to purge unwanted audio takes in a simple time effective way.

All you have to do is click on the project and find orphan clips. Then select them all and delete them. It doesnt seem to hard to me.

[AD80]

yeah, why would you have bought Tracktion if you didn't like clips? That'd be like buying Doom, but wishing it was a platform game.

Exactly. The way Tracktion handles audio as clips is one of its strongest features!

[headquest]

I can't work out how to purge unwanted audio takes in a simple time effective way.

All you have to do is click on the project and find orphan clips. Then select them all and delete them. It doesnt seem to hard to me.

Thanks - I hadn't found that one

[AD80]

I can't work out how to purge unwanted audio takes in a simple time effective way.

All you have to do is click on the project and find orphan clips. Then select them all and delete them. It doesnt seem to hard to me.

Thanks - I hadn't found that one

No Prob. Its pretty easy to use. Just remember that after deleting 1 file, it goes back to the project window. So be careful you dont delete anything you want on accident.