Personal abuse

[D-Fusion]

I think before you all go further into Psychoblogy, here is the entire exchange with buffalo roam. I think BONES was patient and reasonable throughout, but when buffalo roam said things like "Here's a dozen sound effects for you to use, but you can use only just one at a time is just stupid" and "You've made it clear you like working with dumbed-down, half-baked synths" BONES pushed back in a similar way.

I dunno, have you tried? In a patch, the Character band is doing most of the heavy lifting, it hardly seems worth the time and effort investing too much into the upper and lower bands.

To say, "Here's a dozen sound effects for you to use, but you can use only just one at a time" is just stupid.

Perhaps it seems stupid to you but it works fine for me - make a decision and move on. Again, I'd point you to the factory presets to show that it can work brilliantly.

I want to use a synth's internal sound effects as much as possible to create a reusable preset.

Why, when you can make them easily as is? Have you even tried?

Sound effects in a daw don't do that.

"Sound effects" are things you get in sample packs. But if you'd bother to read the manual, you'd see that several of the effects are actually combinations of effects. e.g. "Neuro" is a combination of phaser, chorus and drive and "Trasher" is a distortion chain of fuzz->waveshaping->spectral shifting->dynamic compression->convolution. They are clearly designed to allow you to do complex things simply which, for my money is a great approach. If you want something more complex, use Phaseplant. For me the whole attraction of Rumble is it's simplicity and ease of use.

If you don't even use the mod matrix, why do you have anything to say about it?

You brought it up, I was simply pointing out that it doesn't actually do anything that can't be done more elegantly in other ways and, for that reason, would be a waste of time putting any extra dev effort into.

I like handiness of using mod matrixes as they are usually designed, and this one doesn't cut it.

It may not be what you are used to but that doesn't mean it needs to be changed. Most of them are an unnecessary waste of time and the "classic" design is, for my money, much worse than Rumble's layout. As I said, it's a proper matrix and because the positions of everything are fixed, it makes it much easier to find the thing you are looking for and over time you'll be able to get to things without even thinking about it.

Synths like Phase Plant, Massive X, and Zebra 3 do a much better job of clarifying which modulator is attached to what's being modulated.

No they don't. What could be more elegant than a simple right-click? I've never tired either MassiveX or Zebra but with PP, any advantage it might have in showing modulation routings is completely undone by the fact the modules can be in any random order and are often invisible in the main UI. OTOH, Rumble has everything in a fixed place and most of it is visible from the main UI at all times, so it doesn't need a complex way of showing modulation routings.
I don't watch videos made by idiots. Sorry if you have.

I doubt you're qualified to judge.

You've made it clear you like working with dumbed-down, half-baked synths, so have fun with it.
And when you start watching a video that looks stupid, just stop it.

And you've made it clear that you have no f**king clue, mate.

Yep. Doing personal attacks and then clame to be the victim when they get a reaction seems to be a trend for many these days.

I miss the old days when we would agree to disagree and still be friends even when some harsh words where thrown back and forth.

[buffalo roam]

I think before you all go further into Psychoblogy, here is the entire exchange with buffalo roam. I think BONES was patient and reasonable throughout, but when buffalo roam said things like "Here's a dozen sound effects for you to use, but you can use only just one at a time is just stupid" and "You've made it clear you like working with dumbed-down, half-baked synths" BONES pushed back in a similar way.

I dunno, have you tried? In a patch, the Character band is doing most of the heavy lifting, it hardly seems worth the time and effort investing too much into the upper and lower bands.

To say, "Here's a dozen sound effects for you to use, but you can use only just one at a time" is just stupid.

Perhaps it seems stupid to you but it works fine for me - make a decision and move on. Again, I'd point you to the factory presets to show that it can work brilliantly.

I want to use a synth's internal sound effects as much as possible to create a reusable preset.

Why, when you can make them easily as is? Have you even tried?

Sound effects in a daw don't do that.

"Sound effects" are things you get in sample packs. But if you'd bother to read the manual, you'd see that several of the effects are actually combinations of effects. e.g. "Neuro" is a combination of phaser, chorus and drive and "Trasher" is a distortion chain of fuzz->waveshaping->spectral shifting->dynamic compression->convolution. They are clearly designed to allow you to do complex things simply which, for my money is a great approach. If you want something more complex, use Phaseplant. For me the whole attraction of Rumble is it's simplicity and ease of use.

If you don't even use the mod matrix, why do you have anything to say about it?

You brought it up, I was simply pointing out that it doesn't actually do anything that can't be done more elegantly in other ways and, for that reason, would be a waste of time putting any extra dev effort into.

I like handiness of using mod matrixes as they are usually designed, and this one doesn't cut it.

It may not be what you are used to but that doesn't mean it needs to be changed. Most of them are an unnecessary waste of time and the "classic" design is, for my money, much worse than Rumble's layout. As I said, it's a proper matrix and because the positions of everything are fixed, it makes it much easier to find the thing you are looking for and over time you'll be able to get to things without even thinking about it.

Synths like Phase Plant, Massive X, and Zebra 3 do a much better job of clarifying which modulator is attached to what's being modulated.

No they don't. What could be more elegant than a simple right-click? I've never tired either MassiveX or Zebra but with PP, any advantage it might have in showing modulation routings is completely undone by the fact the modules can be in any random order and are often invisible in the main UI. OTOH, Rumble has everything in a fixed place and most of it is visible from the main UI at all times, so it doesn't need a complex way of showing modulation routings.
I don't watch videos made by idiots. Sorry if you have.

I doubt you're qualified to judge.

You've made it clear you like working with dumbed-down, half-baked synths, so have fun with it.
And when you start watching a video that looks stupid, just stop it.

And you've made it clear that you have no f**king clue, mate.

This reporting is inaccurate.

My first post in the thread that got Bones' attention, although it was not addressed to him, was this:

buffalo roam
KVRist
168 posts since 21 Feb, 2024
Post
Tue Jul 07, 2026 5:17 pm

While I agree Rumble's price is too high at even US$99, I also think three things need to be addressed:
1) It looks like only one sound effect is available per band. There should be a way to stack multiple effects per band.
2) Attaching and detaching modulators needs visual improvements. In testing Rumble, if multiple modulators were attached to a band, it wasn't clear to me which specific ones I was detaching when I did so with an option-click in Mac.
3) The scrollable matrix setup is really clunky compared to other synths.
These are pretty basic problems, in my opinion."

In response, Bones said this:


BONES
Suspended
17890 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
Post
Wed Jul 08, 2026 12:20 am

"Why do you need more effects? You use it in a DAW, you can stack as many effects on it as you like. Your problem is you watch too many YouTube videos made by clueless idiots. Seriously, I've watched so many YouTube tutorials on how to make Reese basses or Neurobass patches and they are, without exception, the dumbest f**king things you're ever likely to see. They keep adding layer after layer of the same effects when all they really need to do is go back and play with the settings on the first one they applied. If you can't make the sound you need with the tools available in Rumble, I think that's down to your skill level. Trust me, stacking more and more effects, one on top of another, isn't the way to do this stuff. Going through the factory patches should tell you that.

"Attaching"? Do you mean "assigning modulation"? I don't really see how it could be any easier. OK, removing modulation may not seem obvious but once you know how it's done, it's actually really clever - just set the value to zero and it's gone.

Why do you need the mod matrix at all? I opened it once to see what it looked like and haven't gone near it since. If I need to add or adjust modulation, I do it from the main GUI. Looking at it again now, though, I think the way they've done it is actually pretty cool. It is a proper Matrix, not just a random, disordered list. I wish more MMs were like this. It might be slightly more useful if it opened in its own window, maybe like the patch browser, but that's about the only improvement I can see that it might need."

He basically started with this insult:

"Your problem is you watch too many YouTube videos made by clueless idiots."

And followed up with this:

"If you can't make the sound you need with the tools available in Rumble, I think that's down to your skill level."

My response to him was this:

buffalo roam
KVRist
168 posts since 21 Feb, 2024
Post
Wed Jul 08, 2026 7:06 pm

"To say, "Here's a dozen sound effects for you to use, but you can use only just one at a time" is just stupid. I want to use a synth's internal sound effects as much as possible to create a reusable preset. Sound effects in a daw don't do that.

If you don't even use the mod matrix, why do you have anything to say about it? I like handiness of using mod matrixes as they are usually designed, and this one doesn't cut it.

Synths like Phase Plant, Massive X, and Zebra 3 do a much better job of clarifying which modulator is attached to what's being modulated.

I don't watch videos made by idiots. Sorry if you have."


From there, his insults escalated....

I should add that I was not the only recipient of abuse from Bones. Others in the thread complained to him about it.

If you're going to be nasty toward recipients of abuse, please at least tell the story accurately. Thanks.

[Seafire Mk2]

There was no abuse. A highly valued member has now been wrongly suspended.

Hope you're happy snowy

[JsinOwl]

There was no abuse. A highly valued member has now been wrongly suspended.

Hope you're happy snowy

You don't get to determine if someone else feels they've been the subject of abuse. That's not how abuse works.

I followed that whole thread and its descent into negativity. In my opinion, BONES was the one primarily responsible for that. Whether or not it's a suspendible offense is for the Mods to decide, but lets not pretend like BONES wasn't stirring the pot.

It's incredibly easy to be diplomatic. If someone chooses not to be, and there are consequences, then that's on them.

[Examigan]

I've gotten this personal abuse from someone named Bones on the Instrument forum thread related to "Rumble"

"And you've made it clear that you have no f**king clue, mate."

Is this really allowed?

He talks like that to everybody at some point so it is not only you.

My solution is that i just ignore it and move on and spend my time and energy on something else

I think one time he called me stupid or crazy after I said I bought a hardware synth.

[Seafire Mk2]

There was no abuse. A highly valued member has now been wrongly suspended.

Hope you're happy snowy

You don't get to determine if someone else feels they've been the subject of abuse. That's not how abuse works.

It's easy to see if there is abuse, there wasn't.

[Touch The Universe]

I wish there was another way than banning, though, some intelligent way to filter out disrespectful replies to anyone just the same you can't make repeat posts.

[Michael L]

Clearly that was not abuse, so an apology may be in order

[Tiles]

I wish there was another way than banning, though, some intelligent way to filter out disrespectful replies to anyone just the same you can't make repeat posts.

It's called blocking. Add to foe list ...

[whyterabbyt]

A highly valued member has now been wrongly suspended.

I though this conversation was about BONES, though?

[Alchemedia]

I've gotten this personal abuse from someone named Bones on the Instrument forum thread related to "Rumble"

"And you've made it clear that you have no f**king clue, mate."

Is this really allowed?

Ah BONES. I just put him on my foe list and try my best to ignore him. I think of him like a toy poodle behind a fence that's always barking its head off. Harmless, but annoying.

Or like David Lynch's "Angriest Dog" cartoon.

[aMUSEd]

I think before you all go further into Psychoblogy, here is the entire exchange with buffalo roam. I think BONES was patient and reasonable throughout, but when buffalo roam said things like "Here's a dozen sound effects for you to use, but you can use only just one at a time is just stupid" and "You've made it clear you like working with dumbed-down, half-baked synths" BONES pushed back in a similar way.

I dunno, have you tried? In a patch, the Character band is doing most of the heavy lifting, it hardly seems worth the time and effort investing too much into the upper and lower bands.

To say, "Here's a dozen sound effects for you to use, but you can use only just one at a time" is just stupid.

Perhaps it seems stupid to you but it works fine for me - make a decision and move on. Again, I'd point you to the factory presets to show that it can work brilliantly.

I want to use a synth's internal sound effects as much as possible to create a reusable preset.

Why, when you can make them easily as is? Have you even tried?

Sound effects in a daw don't do that.

"Sound effects" are things you get in sample packs. But if you'd bother to read the manual, you'd see that several of the effects are actually combinations of effects. e.g. "Neuro" is a combination of phaser, chorus and drive and "Trasher" is a distortion chain of fuzz->waveshaping->spectral shifting->dynamic compression->convolution. They are clearly designed to allow you to do complex things simply which, for my money is a great approach. If you want something more complex, use Phaseplant. For me the whole attraction of Rumble is it's simplicity and ease of use.

If you don't even use the mod matrix, why do you have anything to say about it?

You brought it up, I was simply pointing out that it doesn't actually do anything that can't be done more elegantly in other ways and, for that reason, would be a waste of time putting any extra dev effort into.

I like handiness of using mod matrixes as they are usually designed, and this one doesn't cut it.

It may not be what you are used to but that doesn't mean it needs to be changed. Most of them are an unnecessary waste of time and the "classic" design is, for my money, much worse than Rumble's layout. As I said, it's a proper matrix and because the positions of everything are fixed, it makes it much easier to find the thing you are looking for and over time you'll be able to get to things without even thinking about it.

Synths like Phase Plant, Massive X, and Zebra 3 do a much better job of clarifying which modulator is attached to what's being modulated.

No they don't. What could be more elegant than a simple right-click? I've never tired either MassiveX or Zebra but with PP, any advantage it might have in showing modulation routings is completely undone by the fact the modules can be in any random order and are often invisible in the main UI. OTOH, Rumble has everything in a fixed place and most of it is visible from the main UI at all times, so it doesn't need a complex way of showing modulation routings.
I don't watch videos made by idiots. Sorry if you have.

I doubt you're qualified to judge.

You've made it clear you like working with dumbed-down, half-baked synths, so have fun with it.
And when you start watching a video that looks stupid, just stop it.

And you've made it clear that you have no f**king clue, mate.

This reporting is inaccurate.

My first post in the thread that got Bones' attention, although it was not addressed to him, was this:

buffalo roam
KVRist
168 posts since 21 Feb, 2024
Post
Tue Jul 07, 2026 5:17 pm

While I agree Rumble's price is too high at even US$99, I also think three things need to be addressed:
1) It looks like only one sound effect is available per band. There should be a way to stack multiple effects per band.
2) Attaching and detaching modulators needs visual improvements. In testing Rumble, if multiple modulators were attached to a band, it wasn't clear to me which specific ones I was detaching when I did so with an option-click in Mac.
3) The scrollable matrix setup is really clunky compared to other synths.
These are pretty basic problems, in my opinion."

In response, Bones said this:


BONES
Suspended
17890 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
Post
Wed Jul 08, 2026 12:20 am

"Why do you need more effects? You use it in a DAW, you can stack as many effects on it as you like. Your problem is you watch too many YouTube videos made by clueless idiots. Seriously, I've watched so many YouTube tutorials on how to make Reese basses or Neurobass patches and they are, without exception, the dumbest f**king things you're ever likely to see. They keep adding layer after layer of the same effects when all they really need to do is go back and play with the settings on the first one they applied. If you can't make the sound you need with the tools available in Rumble, I think that's down to your skill level. Trust me, stacking more and more effects, one on top of another, isn't the way to do this stuff. Going through the factory patches should tell you that.

"Attaching"? Do you mean "assigning modulation"? I don't really see how it could be any easier. OK, removing modulation may not seem obvious but once you know how it's done, it's actually really clever - just set the value to zero and it's gone.

Why do you need the mod matrix at all? I opened it once to see what it looked like and haven't gone near it since. If I need to add or adjust modulation, I do it from the main GUI. Looking at it again now, though, I think the way they've done it is actually pretty cool. It is a proper Matrix, not just a random, disordered list. I wish more MMs were like this. It might be slightly more useful if it opened in its own window, maybe like the patch browser, but that's about the only improvement I can see that it might need."

He basically started with this insult:

"Your problem is you watch too many YouTube videos made by clueless idiots."

And followed up with this:

"If you can't make the sound you need with the tools available in Rumble, I think that's down to your skill level."

My response to him was this:

buffalo roam
KVRist
168 posts since 21 Feb, 2024
Post
Wed Jul 08, 2026 7:06 pm

"To say, "Here's a dozen sound effects for you to use, but you can use only just one at a time" is just stupid. I want to use a synth's internal sound effects as much as possible to create a reusable preset. Sound effects in a daw don't do that.

If you don't even use the mod matrix, why do you have anything to say about it? I like handiness of using mod matrixes as they are usually designed, and this one doesn't cut it.

Synths like Phase Plant, Massive X, and Zebra 3 do a much better job of clarifying which modulator is attached to what's being modulated.

I don't watch videos made by idiots. Sorry if you have."


From there, his insults escalated....

I should add that I was not the only recipient of abuse from Bones. Others in the thread complained to him about it.

If you're going to be nasty toward recipients of abuse, please at least tell the story accurately. Thanks.

Where is the insult to yourself? Calling some YouTubers idiots is entirely justified.