oh yes
so, audio damage. if only they'd 'remove' the other thing that puts me off their products
just joking...
Audio Damage removed their DRM
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- KVRAF
- 2645 posts since 21 Jul, 2004
so, audio damage. if only they'd 'remove' the other thing that puts me off their products
just joking...
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- KVRAF
- 6113 posts since 7 Jan, 2005 from Corporate States of America
Steam just gave me a TOS to read last night. I sat and read it. Same BS as all software. I have no rights, they have no responsibility, and they owe me nothing, including not owing me what I might pay for. You also agree not to sue them for anything and to utilize a "third party" arbitrator in disputes (yeah right; another scam to avoid any and all legal responsibility).
I clicked on "I disagree" just to see what would happen. Steam closed. I reopened it. It didn't come back up. Dunno what's up there. Probably was an update to previous terms I had already "agreed" to.
These are NOT contracts. You cannot contractually sign away your rights. These EULAs don't even remotely function like actual contracts. With real contracts, you have options on accepting, rejecting, or negotiating portions of a contract. Try negotiating an EULA.. However, as noted previously, the laws in the USA, most notably post 9/11, are reinforcing the enforceability of EULA bullshit and no one fights it because it's utterly invisible to consumers and lawmakers are clueless (and well lobbied).
I clicked on "I disagree" just to see what would happen. Steam closed. I reopened it. It didn't come back up. Dunno what's up there. Probably was an update to previous terms I had already "agreed" to.
These are NOT contracts. You cannot contractually sign away your rights. These EULAs don't even remotely function like actual contracts. With real contracts, you have options on accepting, rejecting, or negotiating portions of a contract. Try negotiating an EULA.. However, as noted previously, the laws in the USA, most notably post 9/11, are reinforcing the enforceability of EULA bullshit and no one fights it because it's utterly invisible to consumers and lawmakers are clueless (and well lobbied).
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- KVRian
- 1224 posts since 2 Dec, 2008 from Finland
Don't worry, soon we'll have the TTIP treaty so the EU will surrender our rights too to the almighty dollar.Jace-BeOS wrote:Law challenging EULAs? Surely you jest. In the USA, laws have been made to strengthen the standing of EULAs. We are owned by capitalist interest (the big guys, not the little guys). While the USA once may have had a great reputation for consumer rights, the EU and other places have far surpassed the USA and the USA has severely faltered and fallen.
That would make an interesting thread.. A contract/license written by the end-users. What would we be willing to give in exchange for a software or service?Jace-BeOS wrote:These are NOT contracts. You cannot contractually sign away your rights. These EULAs don't even remotely function like actual contracts. With real contracts, you have options on accepting, rejecting, or negotiating portions of a contract. Try negotiating an EULA..
On topic: Good for AD. I don't have their commercial software, but I've been eyeing them for some time now, they're right in my alley. This move makes them even more attractive to me.