Arturia V Collection 6

[Haraldator]

Granted, I feel somewhat annoyed with the current deal where newcomers can get the whole bunch for 250 euro's but this is one time only deal.

It's frequently on sale, actually. I bought the collection for €249 back in May, and there was another sale during the summer IIRC. It only seems fair that they'd also discount the upgrade price by 50% during these sales, especially now that v6 has been out for a while.

I agree. And the fact that they haven't is why I've opted to not upgrade. I'm still on version 5, and I guess that's fine seeing as like a lot of other people I own half a million other synths anyway.

[goldenanalog]

I waited, and waited, and waited some more. And waited. Waited. Again. Over and over...months and months. Still, I waited. Sh*t. This is taking a log-a$$ time. And then: BF'day rolled around, and finally, finally, finally: the V6 collection is now $99 USD for the upgrade.

Yay?


Maybe it means that V7 is just around the corner. I might still get it, tho - CMI V looks good from a sound-designer perspective; although I don't think that you can export the audio content after you manipulate it with the software...or can you?

[JerGoertz]

To the extent that anyone can explain it, Terrance McKenna probably explains it best, and bonus, you get to hear some fantastic old school ambient techno/trance/acid/downtempo.

not to mention one of those cool voices that begs to be sampled.
even if he was reading the phone book!!!

(Perhaps) the worst thing about Terrence McKenna was his voice. He sounded exactly like an annoying know-it-all begging to be slapped.

[ghettosynth]

To the extent that anyone can explain it, Terrance McKenna probably explains it best, and bonus, you get to hear some fantastic old school ambient techno/trance/acid/downtempo.

not to mention one of those cool voices that begs to be sampled.
even if he was reading the phone book!!!

(Perhaps) the worst thing about Terrence McKenna was his voice. He sounded exactly like an annoying know-it-all begging to be slapped.

What if he was an annoying know-it-all begging to be slapped? I mean, if she's cute enough and are dressed appropriately, I could identify with that.

[fmr]

CMI V looks good from a sound-designer perspective; although I don't think that you can export the audio content after you manipulate it with the software...or can you?

Insert it in your DAW and bounce?

[goldenanalog]

CMI V looks good from a sound-designer perspective; although I don't think that you can export the audio content after you manipulate it with the software...or can you?

Insert it in your DAW and bounce?

True, but it seems kind of silly to me that it apparently doesn't have an audio export function -

[VariKusBrainZ]

CMI V looks good from a sound-designer perspective; although I don't think that you can export the audio content after you manipulate it with the software...or can you?

Insert it in your DAW and bounce?

True, but it seems kind of silly to me that it apparently doesn't have an audio export function -

It's a feature that the majority of VSTi dont have so it's not silly

[goldenanalog]

- or a folder where the processed audio resides (unless I'm wrong; which I hope that I am)

Question: if an ap can import your audio files for processing, shouldn't it also have the ability to export them? Obviously: if it stores it in a folder loaded up with proprietary metadata *embedded in the file itself* vs just the header/footer, then it'd likely be 'corrupted' if imported into Soundforge/Wavelab/etc. and probably a pita/useless to further manipulate -

[goldenanalog]

Most stuff that I work with: if it imports audio, then it also exports audio. That's a good question, though: what vstis that import audio also export audio - or *at least* store the audio in it's own folder? From what I understand: what the CMI ap does is *embed* your imported audio in the app itself -

[VariKusBrainZ]

I agree though, a drag and drop solution would be nice

[fmr]

Most stuff that I work with: if it imports audio, then it also exports audio. That's a good question, though: what vstis that import audio also export audio - or *at least* store the audio in it's own folder? From what I understand: what the CMI ap does is *embed* your imported audio in the app itself -

The CMI V is a sampler. It doesn't "embed" the audio anywhere, it plays the samples as any other sampler does. Any processing added is done in realtime, resulting from the playing instructions received... like it happens with any sampler. Which samplers do you know that "export" the processed audio? I have the most important ones, like Kontakt, HALion, and Falcon, and none of them "exports" audio, AFAIK. They process the samples in real time and play the resulting sound. The CMI V isn't an "app" to edit audio, it's a virtual instrument - it's meant to be played. It only generates sound when it receives playing instructions.

Now, if you are talking about the resynthesis functions in CMI V, then yes, you can convert a resynthesized sound back into regular WAV files (there's a function for that), and then you can use the resulting WAV files wherever you want.

Those files will be stored in Program Data\Arturia\Samples|CMI V\User

[VariKusBrainZ]

Or use a batch convert function such as in FLStudio, DirectWave, Freestyle, Bliss to multisample it

[goldenanalog]

Most stuff that I work with: if it imports audio, then it also exports audio. That's a good question, though: what vstis that import audio also export audio - or *at least* store the audio in it's own folder? From what I understand: what the CMI ap does is *embed* your imported audio in the app itself -

The CMI V is a sampler. It doesn't "embed" the audio anywhere, it plays the samples as any other sampler does. Any processing added is done in realtime, resulting from the playing instructions received... like it happens with any sampler. Which samplers do you know that "export" the processed audio? I have the most important ones, like Kontakt, HALion, and Falcon, and none of them "exports" audio, AFAIK. They process the samples in real time and play the resulting sound. The CMI V isn't an "app" to edit audio, it's a virtual instrument - it's meant to be played. It only generates sound when it receives playing instructions.

Now, if you are talking about the resynthesis functions in CMI V, then yes, you can convert a resynthesized sound back into regular WAV files (there's a function for that), and then you can use the resulting WAV files wherever you want.

Those files will be stored in Program Data\Arturia\Samples|CMI V\User

Thanks for the correction/clarification, fmr - yeah: if I think about samplers, hardware or software - they will store the samples in a folder; and then manipulate them in real time as they are played. My assumption was that the ap's emphasis was really about resynthesis to create wavetables(?) from a sample very much in line with what Wolfgang's aps do - his is a pretty evolved ecosystem, isn't it? And the fact that it exists both on the iPad as well as the PC is pretty amazing to me.

So: I take it that user audio files are imported into a folder in CMI V untouched? My guess then is that it either creates a copy of the sample that is used in the associated preset; or a separate data file for the preset (SF creates a separate metadata file for every audio file that's manipulated using it)

The reason why I bring that up is that I actually read that user audio was embedded into the software on import; but that may have meant just in the preset itself - it didn't 'disappear' into the software (which really doesn't make any sense)

So: resynthesized waves would be what I'm interested in exporting from the CMI V, fmr. Thanks again!

[fmr]

So: I take it that user audio files are imported into a folder in CMI V untouched? My guess then is that it either creates a copy of the sample that is used in the associated preset; or a separate data file for the preset (SF creates a separate metadata file for every audio file that's manipulated using it)

Not quite. If you are working in your own presets, CMI V reads the samples wherever you have them, and doesn't move or modify them. You create a preset, which is a file with instructions about how to play the samples, and which samples will be loaded, and where from (pretty much like with any other sampler).

ONLY if/when you export presets (or banks of presets), will CMI V create an encapsulated file which contains both the presets AND the audio samples (which is understandable, otherwise, those who will import the presets/banks would not play the presets as they are supposed to be played, if they would not get the samples also). When the exported banks are imported back into CMI V at the destination user, the samples will then be stored at the location I wrote before (Program Data\Arturia\Samples\CMI V\User).

The reason why I bring that up is that I actually read that user audio was embedded into the software on import, but that may have meant just in the preset itself - it didn't 'disappear' into the software (which really doesn't make any sense)

As I said, CMI V (or Synclavier V for that matter, since it also uses samples and performs resynthesis too, now) doesn't embed the samples, It simply creates presets that point to the samples. Those are loaded into RAM when the corresponding presets are called.

So: resynthesized waves would be what I'm interested in exporting from the CMI V, fmr. Thanks again!

If that's what you are looking for, you will get not one, but two instruments that perform resynthesis, with somehow different methods (CMI V and Synclavier V).

The Synclavier V will even crate what you could call wavetables since it creates a different waveform in each "node" (using additive synthesis) and morphs between the nodes. That's how Synclavier V creates its sounds through resynthesis, so, it is very much the same as a wavetable (with the difference that you can manually place each node wherever you want in a timeline, which means that you can have different wave evolutions from node to node.

[goldenanalog]

Or use a batch convert function such as in FLStudio, DirectWave, Freestyle, Bliss to multisample it

Yep, that's what I'll probably do after getting it,
VariKusBrainZ - what occurred to me whilst thinking about the ap is that I'm likely looking at it far too simplisticly - it would indeed have to be multisampled to begin to capture it's true essence - a single note (sample) likely wouldn't really represent it.

It looks like it has envelopes for days - (1) for every single one of it's (32) harmonics (using it as an additive synth) - couple that with real-time manipulation of a number of parameters, and with just that: you have a beast! -Sweep through the harmonics with a variable speed and aperture width -