Yes, those small incompetent indie devs like... ...u-he, who have a working plugin format with working DAW support Or even Arne from Steinberg himself who wrote about the VST3 issues and stupid workarounds.chk071 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:40 pmYou mean the guys who wanted to establish their own plugin format a few times now, and nothing ever came out of it? Yeah, surely a very competent bunch in that regard. ;)we will stick to what we have". Nothing is perfect.MirkoVanHauten wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:21 pmThanks I rather listen to the established devs that for example spoke out here in the dev forum.] Peter:H [ wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:14 pmHuh, what!? Let the facts speak for itself not myths https://arefyevstudio.com/en/2019/01/26 ... is-better/MirkoVanHauten wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:08 pm There's no reason to drop something if the follow up sux or lacks features...
Cubase 12 dropping VST 2 support (For Apple Silicon)
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MirkoVanHauten MirkoVanHauten https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=376111
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Which one is that? And how come I never heard of it?MirkoVanHauten wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:26 pm Yes, those small incompetent indie devs like... ...u-he, who have a working plugin format with working DAW support
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FL Studio now runs native on Apple Silicon. They did not announce that only VST3 native plugins work and they would have if that were the case. They have no wrapper for VST.
Every Apple Silicon native DAW will be able to run native plugins... whether they are VST2 or VST3... just the same as Intel versions could run VST2 or VST3. That is the functionality of the DAW and has nothing to do with Apple Silicon.
Native VST2 plugins not working in Cubase 12 native, (if that is even going to be the case) is a decision by Steinberg to remove that functionality.
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CLAP...chk071 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:27 pmWhich one is that? And how come I never heard of it?MirkoVanHauten wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:26 pm Yes, those small incompetent indie devs like... ...u-he, who have a working plugin format with working DAW support
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You have misinterpreted that.chk071 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:23 pmSo, yeah, bridging is required for VST2 plugins. Not for VST3's which are ARM64 native.When using the ARM64 build, any VST3 plug-ins used will have to be ARM64 native, REAPER does not yet support VST3 bridging. Intel VST2 plug-ins can be used (bridged) from Intel to ARM64.
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On Windows, they do.pdxindy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:35 pmFL Studio now runs native on Apple Silicon. They did not announce that only VST3 native plugins work and they would have if that were the case. They have no wrapper for VST.
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"Intel VST2 plug-ins can be used (bridged) from Intel to ARM64."pdxindy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:36 pmYou have misinterpreted that.chk071 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:23 pmSo, yeah, bridging is required for VST2 plugins. Not for VST3's which are ARM64 native.When using the ARM64 build, any VST3 plug-ins used will have to be ARM64 native, REAPER does not yet support VST3 bridging. Intel VST2 plug-ins can be used (bridged) from Intel to ARM64.
How am I supposed to interpret that in another way than that... they have to be bridged from Intel to ARM64.
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It's a Linux format. Obviously from the guy who ported u-he's plugins to Linux.pdxindy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:35 pmCLAP...chk071 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:27 pmWhich one is that? And how come I never heard of it?MirkoVanHauten wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:26 pm Yes, those small incompetent indie devs like... ...u-he, who have a working plugin format with working DAW support
No wonder I never heard of it.
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MirkoVanHauten MirkoVanHauten https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=376111
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*originally waschk071 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:41 pmIt's a Linux format. Obviously from the guy who ported u-he's plugins to Linux.pdxindy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:35 pmCLAP...chk071 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:27 pmWhich one is that? And how come I never heard of it?MirkoVanHauten wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:26 pm Yes, those small incompetent indie devs like... ...u-he, who have a working plugin format with working DAW support
No wonder I never heard of it.
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You keep referencing Intel VST2 plugins. As I've already mentioned, I am talking about Native VST2 plugins. Different subject matter.
Intel VST2 and Intel VST3 plugins both need to be bridged. Apple Silicon native plugins, whether VST2 or VST3 do not.
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Actually, I was talking about Urs and some others, who were actually involved in those discussions in the developer forums here, not about the guy who invented that format, and then joined u-he.MirkoVanHauten wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:45 pm*originally waschk071 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:41 pmIt's a Linux format. Obviously from the guy who ported u-he's plugins to Linux.pdxindy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:35 pmCLAP...chk071 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:27 pmWhich one is that? And how come I never heard of it?MirkoVanHauten wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:26 pm Yes, those small incompetent indie devs like... ...u-he, who have a working plugin format with working DAW support
No wonder I never heard of it.
Apart from the format being a Linux format, as far as I can see, which also doesn't add anything to the point, because, I was talking about an actual alternative to VST. Not some obscure one platform format noone ever heard of, which no known (to me) DAW supports anyway.
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Indeed. They're specifically calling out Intel VST2 plugins. Not sure how much more clear they can be.
Lots and lots of ARM64 VST2 plugins working just fine on Apple Silicon here (2021 16" MBP - Reaper). Steinberg's been trying to force VST3 adoption and they're intentionally knee-capping their own users again. This is the same thing they did by refusing to support sidechain inputs on VST2 plugins, and implying sidechains could only work with VST3. That was untrue and totally a choice Steinberg made. Just like VST2 not being able to work on Apple silicon isn't true and is a choice Steinberg made.
To the Cubendo users: when your DAW developer keeps treating you like crap and regularly misleads you...you're not in a healthy DAW relationship.
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Can you name some ARM64 native VST2 plugins?
I remember a discussion about Dune 3, where Richard announced that there will be a M1 native AU, but not VST2.
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U-he - almost all plugins (except Uhbik, MFM2, Filterscape, and Tyrell)chk071 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:57 pmCan you name some ARM64 native VST2 plugins?
Valhalla - all plugins
Overloud - all plugins
Eventide - almost all plugins (except QuadraVox and OctaVox)
Acon Digital - all plugins
etc.
I've literally got over a hundred native ARM64 VST2 plugins. Maybe closer to 200.
...why are you not believing the people who actually own the damn PC's and use these plugins daily? Oh, right...because Steinberg is confusing the issue and putting out misleading information.
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Because not everyone is so tech savy (me included, of course), and, because many DAW's actually hide that stuff from the user. Like the DAW's which use wrappers/bridging to host the plugins.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:00 pm ...why are you not believing the people who actually own the damn PC's and use these plugins daily?
Well, on u-he's site, there is no mention of the VST2's not being ARM native, so, I (have to) take your word for it.