CLAP 1.0 betas for ACE, Diva, Hive, MFM 2.5

[Urs]

Congratulations!
I wonder if Clap can support behavior like ARA plugins? I mean how it is implemented by presonus studio one with melodyne.

Thnx!

Some of us are reaching out to Celemony already. It only makes sense that whatever they need for ARA support in CLAP would best be specified / contributed by them.

[webhamster]

Will Clap allow plugins to communicate directly with each other?

[Urs]

Will Clap allow plugins to communicate directly with each other?

An extension that does this is being discussed, but it is not a priority atm and it's not clear yet if that's viable.

However, a plug-in can pass full MIDI and NoteExpressions over to the next plug-in, and audio channels can be marked as "CV" for audio rate modulation signals.

[exmatproton]

Will Clap allow plugins to communicate directly with each other?

An extension that does this is being discussed, but it is not a priority atm and it's not clear yet if that's viable.

However, a plug-in can pass full MIDI and NoteExpressions over to the next plug-in, and audio channels can be marked as "CV" for audio rate modulation signals.

Hmmm..i see fabfilter as one of the devs maybe implementing clap. Pro q3 does this internal comms thing where 1 instance can pick up other instances so it is possible to see hotspots. Would be nice for plugins to be able to have comms without sidechaining

[Urs]

Hmmm..i see fabfilter as one of the devs maybe implementing clap. Pro q3 does this internal comms thing where 1 instance can pick up other instances so it is possible to see hotspots. Would be nice for plugins to be able to have comms without sidechaining

That's already possible with any format, but it may be difficult to maintain. Satin for instance has the Grouping feature where multiple instances can be controlled from one.

[Viktor [TUC]]

You're referring to things like sample libraries though, right? Or am I misunderstanding you here?
The install location question concerns the plug-in file itself, not extra content like sample libraries.

Viktor

[Ploki]

I hope this puts some pressure on Apple, i like logic but Clap in logic feels unlikely

We're working on a "Palcer" (as opposed to a "Clapper") which wraps a CLAP as an AU.

As I always said, it's not so overly important for CLAP to have wide host adoption since the technology and its open license allows for literally any combination of import/export format. However, I'm over the moon that we already garnered so much interest, and that so many DAW companies are seriously looking into it!

How much of the extended functionality (poly modulation, relative non-destructive modulation) could technically translate via wrapper?
I usually do external modulation via logic's MIDI FX but it's destructive and absolute.
How about AUv3?
There's a handful of AUv3 features that don't work in logic - yet, like MIDI INPUT on inserts. basically AUv3 function like AUv2 in logic

[tasmaniandevil]

I am getting hung and dropped notes with Hive. MacOS 10.15.7

Thank you for the report, was able to reproduce it. We'll look into it.

[Urs]

I hope this puts some pressure on Apple, i like logic but Clap in logic feels unlikely

We're working on a "Palcer" (as opposed to a "Clapper") which wraps a CLAP as an AU.

As I always said, it's not so overly important for CLAP to have wide host adoption since the technology and its open license allows for literally any combination of import/export format. However, I'm over the moon that we already garnered so much interest, and that so many DAW companies are seriously looking into it!

How much of the extended functionality (poly modulation, relative non-destructive modulation) could technically translate via wrapper?
I usually do external modulation via logic's MIDI FX but it's destructive and absolute.
How about AUv3?
There's a handful of AUv3 features that don't work in logic - yet, like MIDI INPUT on inserts. basically AUv3 function like AUv2 in logic

Nothing can permeate through the wrapper other than what those formats have to offer.

But let's be positive: With CLAP, it is actually easy to properly support NoteExpressions and have time stamped parameter changes. Its took us a day to get these implemented in our code base. There's still some way to go and some testing / optimising to do, but it is a start. So with a properly developed wrapper, we will finally have these features in VST3 as well.

[Tj Shredder]

If you happen to find some issues, please post them here, or even better, report them to our support team directly:

https://u-he.com/support/#contact

As the bug report form at the above link isn't prepared for Clap yet, I post it here:
It seems the same issue I had with Surge (but fixed now). The Clap versions of Hive and Diva do not listen to expressions. My LinnStrument Pitch Bend is translated to a pitch expression from the script and thus it sends the expression instead of pitch bend...

[Urs]

Yep, we know. It's on our list...

[tasmaniandevil]

As the bug report form at the above link isn't prepared for Clap yet, I post it here:

You can always just send a general support request.
But as Urs already mentioned, pitch slides are on our to do list already.

[baconpaul]

But let's be positive: With CLAP, it is actually easy to properly support NoteExpressions and have time stamped parameter changes. Its took us a day to get these implemented in our code base. There's still some way to go and some testing / optimising to do, but it is a start. So with a properly developed wrapper, we will finally have these features in VST3 as well.

I was literally saying on Surge discord yesterday that it may be the best way to get VST3 note expressions in Surge is to not have JUCE generate our VST3 but have the wrapper generate the CLAP we generate instead. I think this point is spot on, Urs.

[Ploki]

Nothing can permeate through the wrapper other than what those formats have to offer.

But let's be positive: With CLAP, it is actually easy to properly support NoteExpressions and have time stamped parameter changes. Its took us a day to get these implemented in our code base. There's still some way to go and some testing / optimising to do, but it is a start. So with a properly developed wrapper, we will finally have these features in VST3 as well.

So nothing unfortunately.
Still i think it's better to opt for CLAP-to-AUv3, i don't think AUv2 will be alive for much longer.

Or hope that Apple supports CLAP if all other major DAWs will

[Urs]

Installer criticism moved here: viewtopic.php?t=583188

Hope I got all of it, not sure.

Anyhow... about CLAP...