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subsynq · Post by **subsynq** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:49 pm

okay, it seems that we all love ilok, thus i'm the only one who expresses a different opinion(?), and whyterabbit has every right to call me names, or...? did i miss anything here?

conleec · Post by **conleec** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:50 pm

I'll go on the record and say that I actually am getting to the point that I'll only buy plugins that DO use iLok. I far prefer it to a neverending stream of passphrases and challenge response codes when moving from studio to studio. Come on, nothing beats the ease of simply plugging in the iLok and rocking the studio.

Big fan of iLok here.

Chris Conlee

The_Hidden_Goose · Post by **The_Hidden_Goose** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:50 pm

There's an argument to be had. Both sides are valid. Better to argue the points though, than to argue about a right to argue, on either side. Developers won't change their minds based on that (if at all...I suspect the only thing that will is epic failure after epic failure - we've had one recently, and that hasn't stopped Slate sticking with it - maybe others have had a rethink, like SoundToys?)

ChiTown24 · Post by **ChiTown24** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:54 pm

if someone starts a duplicate thread about a synth update, or a new plug etc, a mod will lock it and direct the OP to the already existing thread where the topic is being discussed. Providing they notice the duplication of course.

the mods should do the same for these copy protection threads. there should be one thread in the 'everything else' sub-forum, and let people have the discussion in that one thread to their heart's content. don't just do it because the subject matter is trite, hackneyed and annoying. do it because it's a better way to collate & navigate every argument for and against, and frees up space on the front page of whatever sub-forum for a more germane topic.

subsynq · Post by **subsynq** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:56 pm

Sure, as it has been said it's up to the developers. For us who disagree with dongles, there are always alternative packages to choose from, to avoid clutter. Funnily enough, the "dongle portability" advantage claimed doesn't seem to agree with the "optimized DAW" approach that is repeatedly suggested... One licence, two or more DAW PCs... Will you uninstall the software (and the drivers if it's the only piece of software protected with it) on at least one computer after use?

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:01 pm

conleec wrote:Come on, nothing beats the ease of simply plugging in the iLok and rocking the studio.

Nothing?.... how about this: have my WHOLE studio setup on a USB-drive, including all the plugins I use. I can plug it into any computer and run it from the drive, or just copy the whole setup to ONE directory on the HD and run it. No installation, no (re)activation, NOTHING!!!!!!

Beat THAT

And 'simply plugin in the iLok' does nothing when the actual plugins are not installed on that machine. It only makes your licenses portable, not the software needing those.

And to those that state that iLok does not create problems:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-co ... tware.html

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:12 pm

subsynq wrote:whyterabbit has every right to call me names, or...? did i miss anything here?

well I certainly missed the bit where that happened, want to back that up with some evidence? or is this just the old 'you're disagreeing with me so that's a personal attack' shite?

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:15 pm

I've been using the ilok 2 for a couple of years now...And I've not had a problem with it, except for a glitch with their new interface crossover, and to be fair it was ez to sort out (I just had to download the latest version of the software).

Sure, I wish all plugs were as easy as my U-he stuff. But most of the other software I want to use is on the ilok anyway.

However, should it break or get damaged, I'll go NUCLEAR if I found it difficult to get my licenses replaced or the companies were too slow to respond in reissuing them again, etc.

If I go to the trouble of purchasing and supporting their copyright system. I expect the same from them in return.

People often make the argument that devs are loosing business by using an iLok, and I guess they are. But you can bet they've weighed up the pros and cons, and then decided that they will prolly loose more business if they don't go with it.

Just my two cents...

djanthonyw · Post by **djanthonyw** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:16 pm

I just don't get why people say there's an advantage to installing iLok software compared to software that uses a simple serial number... is copy / pasting really more difficult?

I backup all of my software, you can't do that when the software has a piece of hardware that's tied to it and requires it to run.

Software like The Glue / Drop or Sonimus' offerings are even easier since registration is built right into the plugin.

I will NEVER purchase software which requires a dongle again. When I buy software I expect it to be SOFTWARE.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:16 pm

subsynq wrote: Funnily enough, the "dongle portability" advantage claimed doesn't seem to agree with the "optimized DAW" approach that is repeatedly suggested... One licence, two or more DAW PCs... Will you uninstall the software (and the drivers if it's the only piece of software protected with it) on at least one computer after use?

sounds like a straw man. what 'optimized DAW' approach? repeatedly suggested where, and by who? why does 'optimisation' require uninstalling drivers after use?

makes no sense. guess that's just me calling you names again, though.

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:20 pm

djanthonyw wrote:I just don't get why people say there's an advantage to installing iLok software compared to software that uses a simple serial number... is copy / pasting really more difficult?

I'd agree... I don't see a ton of advantages with the iLok at all. I'm just prepared to put up with it, because I want a lot of the software that uses it.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:21 pm

djanthonyw wrote:I just don't get why people say there's an advantage to installing iLok software compared to software that uses a simple serial number... is copy / pasting really more difficult?

Copy/pasting more than two or three licenses isn't more difficult but it is more tedious. After ten fifteen serial number installs on a new machine, I have certainly wished I didn't need to do any more, and yes, at that point I say it gets past a chore and into a hindrance. Once you're at the fifty point, 'difficult' applies.

subsynq · Post by **subsynq** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:24 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:well I certainly missed the bit where that happened

Just lose the irony. Also, I never "extended" anything "to other people" as you said. You are doing exactly what you are accusing me of - just because you are okay with such stuff, doesn't mean everybody is or should be happy with them. My point was that electronic devices tend to fail more than a printed paper with a name and a code. I don't know how safe you feel taking your dongles to a live, especially with other people walking here and there. I had a syncrosoft dongle fail three years ago, all by itself, I wouldn't even trust moving this thing to the next USB port. Not that I lost the licences, everything went okay in the end, but as has been said before, considering "protection solutions" that may (or may not) be causing such hassle, it appears as if the developers are treating customers like criminals.

djanthonyw · Post by **djanthonyw** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:25 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
djanthonyw wrote:I just don't get why people say there's an advantage to installing iLok software compared to software that uses a simple serial number... is copy / pasting really more difficult?
Copy/pasting more than two or three licenses isn't more difficult but it is more tedious. After ten fifteen serial number installs on a new machine, I have certainly wished I didn't need to do any more, and yes, at that point I say it gets past a chore and into a hindrance. Once you're at the fifty point, 'difficult' applies.

I don't see why someone would need to enter all of their serial numbers in this fashion more than once every few years when they get a new computer or install a fresh major OS upgrade... and I certainly like being able to do this without relying on a dongle.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:30 pm

subsynq wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:well I certainly missed the bit where that happened
Just lose the irony.

Excuse me, are you trying to tell me what to do? Since when have you been a moderator?

You made an accusation that I'd insulted you. I'd like proof of that, or a retraction. Not sure what irony there is in that to lose.

Also, I never "extended" anything "to other people" as you said.

What's that, or anything else in your post, got to do with you making a false claim about me? Is it your justification for lying?

You are doing exactly what you are accusing me of - just because you are okay with such stuff, doesn't mean everybody is or should be happy with them.

Ah, so because I've said that there are people who are exceptions to something you claimed, you're trying to present that as me claiming that everyone agrees with me, are you? So, that's now two things you're making up about me. Good start, that'll end well.

Open letter to companies still using iLok ( looking at you Slate Digital )