ToneBoosters: New License Transfer Policy

[JJ_Jettflow]

Gosh, even ending it on a "YOU AINT NEVER EVEN HAD A JOB I DUN BET! YOU CANT NOT EVEN BE UNDERSTANDING!" style, stupid stupid stupid statement.

No more stupid than supporting a dev that is clearing overcharging for license transfers.

[electricthing]

Gosh, even ending it on a "YOU AINT NEVER EVEN HAD A JOB I DUN BET! YOU CANT NOT EVEN BE UNDERSTANDING!" style, stupid stupid stupid statement.

No more stupid than supporting a dev that is clearing overcharging for license transfers.

Overcharging?
10 euro?

TB is cheap and a big bang for the buck. My guess is that the earlier transfer policy was not working for the dev. And when that happens we could all be losing his good products.
Who can argue that TB is only in it for the money when you consider the prices and his steady updates?
Do all of you who complaint want the price of the plugins to go to 40 euro so that you only pay 25% transfer fee?

[Compyfox]

I wanted to stay out of this, but actually - things have changed (?) and nobody seemed to care up until this point.

The link on page one results in an error message, probably to prevent external linking. But if you actually click on the forwarding link, the wording is a bit different compared to what people currently rave about.


It actually mentions:

Please read the end-user license agreement that you agreed upon when downloading ToneBoosters software very carefully before requesting a license transfer to verify that the license you have obtained qualifies for a transfer. One or more registered license(s) can only be transferred after payment of the applicable transfer administration fee, AND after ToneBoosters has received all required information for a license transfer, which includes as a bare minimum:

1. The full name and a valid email address of the current licensee;
2. The full name and a valid email address of the new licensee;
3. The name of the product(s) to be transferred from the current to the new licensee.

The transfer process including the payment of the transfer administration fee (EUR 6,99) is processed by our authorised reseller Avangate and is initiated by filling in this online form for a license transfer. After submitting the form and successful payment of the transfer administration fee, ToneBoosters will contact the current and new licensee by email within 30 days to arrange the transfer, or else any paid transfer administration fee will be automatically refunded. The license transfer will solely be arranged online and via email.

So let's recap things:
Currently, each product or even bundle(!, Track Essenials) costs 20EUR each, incl. VAT

If you want to sell your license, your steps are as following:
- contact the CEO wit your current license data
- send the CEO who will be the new licensee
- send the CEO the names of the licenses you want to transfer

Additional to that, you have to fill out a form at Avangate, or rather pay for a "token" to set things in motion. This "token" is currently (as of this moment, 27-07-2015) 6,99EUR/5GBP/10,50AUD/7,65USD, and not 50% of the sale price, but actually 35% (rounded up). Not to mention, if you bundle your licenses, you only pay 7EUR once!



I'm a longtime user and supporter of ToneBoosters (formerly Jeroen Breebaart Plugins) at this point. And I must say that his prices are more than fair for the quality you get. So you won't see me sell my licenses anytime soon. Barricade alone is worth twice or even three times the price. EBU Loudness/Compact Is an absolute no-brainer to get into the recent "EBU R-128 game" (other tools with similar features start with 150USD!).

I feel like the "Melda Production License Transfer Fee/Policy" debate all over.

[lnikj]

This will no doubt be interpreted as a glorious victory for the righteous whingers.

[HcDoom]

No more stupid than supporting a dev that is clearing overcharging for license transfers.

Overcharging...? Haha, you´re so dumb...

[Compyfox]

This will no doubt be interpreted as a glorious victory for the righteous whingers.

Actually the first time I clicked on this link (which was at the beginning of the thread), the wording was the same. But I never bothered to click that shop link to check the fee.

Maybe somebody saw 11AUD and then went nuts on the dev.

[murnau]

This will no doubt be interpreted as a glorious victory for the righteous whingers.

Actually the first time I clicked on this link (which was at the beginning of the thread), the wording was the same. But I never bothered to click that shop link to check the fee.

Maybe somebody saw 11AUD and then went nuts on the dev.

No, it was clearly 10€ for every transfer. The text is changed now. I have the text in my cache here we go:

OLD text (cause this topic btw):

License transfers
Policy
A license designated as “educational”, “EDU”, “Not for Resale”, “Demo” or “NFR” is not transferrable. As outlined in the end-user license agreement, a registered license can only be transferred after payment of the applicable transfer administration fee of EUR 10,=, AND after ToneBoosters has received all required information for a license transfer, which includes as a bare minimum:
The full name and valid email address of the current licensee;
The full name and valid email address of the new licensee;
The name of the product to be transferred.
Process
The transfer process including the payment of the transfer administration fee is processed by our authorised reseller Avangate and is initiated by filling in this online form for a license transfer. After submitting the form and successful payment of the transfer administration fee, ToneBoosters will contact the current and new licensee by email within 30 days to arrange the transfer, or else any paid transfer administration fee will be automatically refunded. The license transfer will solely be arranged online and via email.

NEW text
License transfers
Please read the end-user license agreement that you agreed upon when downloading ToneBoosters software very carefully before requesting a license transfer to verify that the license you have obtained qualifies for a transfer. One or more registered license(s) can only be transferred after payment of the applicable transfer administration fee, AND after ToneBoosters has received all required information for a license transfer, which includes as a bare minimum:
The full name and a valid email address of the current licensee;
The full name and a valid email address of the new licensee;
The name of the product(s) to be transferred from the current to the new licensee.
The transfer process including the payment of the transfer administration fee (EUR 6,99) is processed by our authorised reseller Avangate and is initiated by filling in this online form for a license transfer. After submitting the form and successful payment of the transfer administration fee, ToneBoosters will contact the current and new licensee by email within 30 days to arrange the transfer, or else any paid transfer administration fee will be automatically refunded. The license transfer will solely be arranged online and via email.

Cool that he changed his mind maybe he's lurking around here.. ..god bless him anyway!

[UncleAge]

I never thought the value of JB's/TB's stuff was reflected in the price. I always felt that I got way more than I paid for.

I wonder if JB/TB reads a thread like this and wonders "No good deed goes unpunished"...

[elxsound]

I never thought the value of JB's/TB's stuff was reflected in the price. I always felt that I got way more than I paid for.

I wonder if JB/TB reads a thread like this and wonders "No good deed goes unpunished"...

I know I would.

I'm still shocked at the reactions. If this is all about the cost of the transfer being relative to the cost of the plugin, where is the recognition that the quality of his plugins outweighs the relative sell price!

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I wonder if JB/TB reads a thread like this and wonders "No good deed goes unpunished"...

maybe the thread prompted him to think that actually the price was a little high relative to the initial price, and that if he were not fixing it that way to make it quasi-nfr (to get around european law), and that he really did want to continue supporting transfers, that he there might be some wiggle-room.

maybe he looked at other similar, lower-priced software developers' policy toward license transfers, and thought it would be possible to lower his own price

maybe he realised that customers like myself might buy in first-time in the kvr marketplace, but that those same customers would likely go back for more @ full price. i can easily see 2 full-price 'tb' plugs in my furture, on the back of my 2nd-hand 'barricade'

and yes, maybe he did look at this thread and wonder "No good deed goes unpunished"....in the end it does not matter; those of you who are righteous didn't have a problem anyway, and the rest of us f**king whinging, whining ingrates might have even more faith in a developer who was prepared to be flexible with his policies. good for him

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

where is the recognition that the quality of his plugins outweighs the relative sell price!

there's a ton of recognition for that, not only in this thread, but all over the web. same with klanghelm, valhalla etc

but that has nothing to do with anything

if the developer allows license transfers, then it makes sense that they are worthwhile. things seem to have changed to that effect

i think it far more worthwhile for the developer, and maybe even your valiant efforts, that he consider raising his product prices

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

This will no doubt be interpreted as a glorious victory for the righteous whingers.

win-win, no ?? without us righteous whingers, how else will you get your superiority fix

[UncleAge]

Empathy doesn't require a feeling of righteousness or feeling of superiority. Some of us could put ourselves in the devs shoes for a minute. That's all. You may want to draw all types of inferences from those posts, however, none of mine were personal attacks towards you or any like you who voice those opinions.

Using a little common sense and a dose of selfishness I would like to impress upon most devs not to raise their prices. I see no sense in winning this battle but losing the war. If he raises his prices by a significant amount then nothing was gained. Nothing.

I'm off work this morning so I had a few minuutes to read and share my opinion. I got nothing else to add.

[elxsound]

where is the recognition that the quality of his plugins outweighs the relative sell price!

there's a ton of recognition for that, not only in this thread, but all over the web. same with klanghelm, valhalla etc

but that has nothing to do with anything

if the developer allows license transfers, then it makes sense that they are worthwhile. things seem to have changed to that effect

i think it far more worthwhile for the developer, and maybe even your valiant efforts, that he consider raising his product prices

I really hate that things devolved into comments of righteousness, whining, dumbness, or valiant efforts... bla, bla, bla. I'm sorry you took a few swipes from another user, but I was leading no such "valiant effort." Just making a point about the quality he offers and that is all.

I'm happy to hear people find that the price change in the transfer fee is acceptable, but I'm still just as shocked at multiple reactions. And that is just my reaction based on my personal opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

[lnikj]

This will no doubt be interpreted as a glorious victory for the righteous whingers.

win-win, no ?? without us righteous whingers, how else will you get your superiority fix

Might yet be lose-lose. All I see so far is that the dev looks to have been bullied into submission.