Sound of the 80s

[cornutt]

Another synth that was big in the '80s, and I've never seen a software emulation of it, was the Roland GR-300 guitar synth (e.g., The Police, Genesis, King Crimson). It had a rather unique architecture -- there were no VCOs; instead, it worked by doing wave shaping on the waveforms from the guitar strings.

[BlackWinny]

Another synth that was big in the '80s, and I've never seen a software emulation of it, was the Roland GR-300 guitar synth (e.g., The Police, Genesis, King Crimson). It had a rather unique architecture -- there were no VCOs; instead, it worked by doing wave shaping on the waveforms from the guitar strings.

A concept which is certainly not easy to emulate...

[cornutt]

I think it could be done by a sufficiently clever programmer. As a starting point, you could use a Karplus-Strong physical model to generate the plucked string waveform. From what I recall of the schematics, there isn't anything particularly obscure about how the GR-300 processed the waveforms. And a good emulation could overcome some of the limitations of the GR-300, such as its inability to have a filter track the pitch since the voice didn't actually know what pitch it was playing.

[BlackWinny]

I think it could be done by a sufficiently clever programmer. As a starting point, you could use a Karplus-Strong physical model to generate the plucked string waveform. From what I recall of the schematics, there isn't anything particularly obscure about how the GR-300 processed the waveforms. And a good emulation could overcome some of the limitations of the GR-300, such as its inability to have a filter track the pitch since the voice didn't actually know what pitch it was playing.

So it could be probably approached in some tools like Image-Line Sakura or AAS String-Studio for example? And perhaps some xoxos tools...

[DrewDale]

If Casio had sold their high end synths under a different trade name, the gear might have been appreciated more.

I have to agree with that, Casio were one of the few keyboard makers to think a little out of the box, not only with their 'home' keyboards (e.g - SK & DM Samplers) But other more pro oriented kit like the CZ / FZ / VZ range.

[AlesisVi61]

Apologies if this has been previously mentioned(afflicted with massive visual monitor burnout),so I did not read through everything...but if one has Reason or the Kontakt sampler,Bitley's Fairlight Platinum is amazing!

Though most of Reason's presets are not all that impressive,the programming behind this software package is brilliant,thus producing results I did not think were possible from Reason's synth engines.

http://bitley.laconicsounds.net/

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

so, i just realised this is a thread about synths (go figure), not music of the 80's. didn't read the op, so excuse my post a few pages back

[AlesisVi61]

so, i just realised this is a thread about synths (go figure), not music of the 80's. didn't read the op, so excuse my post a few pages back

It seems to me,that if this thread's theme was about the genre itself,rather than about synths,then it would be deemed inappropriate for the Instruments section...& it would be moved to the Everything Else(music related) thread.

That being said,I'm a bit perplexed by your misconstruing the actual topic at hand.Not trying to be offensive or smart-**s...just saying,as I'm curious.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

so, i just realised this is a thread about synths (go figure), not music of the 80's. didn't read the op, so excuse my post a few pages back

It seems to me,that if this thread's theme was about the genre itself,rather than about synths,then it would be deemed inappropriate for the Instruments section...& it would be moved to the Everything Else(music related) thread.

That being said,I'm a bit perplexed by your misconstruing the actual topic at hand.Not trying to be offensive or smart-**s...just saying,as I'm curious.

it's quite simple

most of the time, i just jump onto kvr, and check the sidebar. this shows a list of current replies to topics. clicking on any of these will take you right to that reply. so, i didn't bother to check the forum, nor read back through the thread

let's not lose any sleep over it

[AlesisVi61]

it's quite simple

most of the time, i just jump onto kvr, and check the sidebar. this shows a list of current replies to topics. clicking on any of these will take you right to that reply. so, i didn't bother to check the forum, nor read back through the thread

let's not lose any sleep over it

Aah..now it makes nearly perfect sense. I myself,have never approached the forum in that manner,as I always arrive at the forum straight on.

[BlackWinny]

Don't worry el-bo, the essential is that threads like this one are places for kind exchanges of ideas. Happily... we don't have to stay compulsorily in categories of subjects with the same rigor as the subjects of military affairs. Even in professional forums a part of freedom is not only accepted but in fact even actually wished.

A part of freedom to avoid the strict divisions. Especially in arts (and music is an art) where everything is connected to everything. Of course without falling in an anarchy, but talking about things which are not strictly the topic is the full expression of the life.

Rigor without any tolerance is at the antipodes of the art and also at the antipodes of the kind exchanges of ideas.

And that part of freedom incidentally helps to always better know (and appreciate) each others.

[BlackWinny]

Look at the place where is your galaxy, far far away in the universe, el-bo.

There are rules in the spatial distributions of the galaxies in the universe. But there is no rigor at all. They continuously move on and on.

And it is the same for everything everywhere.



General rules, yes. Rigor, never. Except at the mathematical level.

[beltrom]

Talking about Casio vintage synths of the 80s, what I would like to find one day would be an emulation of the HT-3000. It is an underestimated part of the Casio history, totally eclipsed by their CZ series, excellent of course but which makes forget this wonderful HT-3000 with a very original type of synthesis which have been sold during 5 years starting at 1987. And the best would be an emulation of the HT-6000 which was a declination with 4 oscillators and all a range of 8 filters.

There's this, the HT700 basically was the HT3000 with smaller keys.
http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=425

Still have my HT3000. Once in a while even use...

[BlackWinny]

Talking about Casio vintage synths of the 80s, what I would like to find one day would be an emulation of the HT-3000. It is an underestimated part of the Casio history, totally eclipsed by their CZ series, excellent of course but which makes forget this wonderful HT-3000 with a very original type of synthesis which have been sold during 5 years starting at 1987. And the best would be an emulation of the HT-6000 which was a declination with 4 oscillators and all a range of 8 filters.

There's this, the HT700 basically was the HT3000 with smaller keys.
http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=425

Still have my HT3000. Once in a while even use...

Yes, Plastique is the number 62 in my list, it is in since probably about the beginning of the thread.

I've heard (I don't affirm having never bought neither the former nor the latter) that the components of the filters in the HT-3000 were totally different than in the HT-700, not only the keyboard size. So there was a deep difference in the results, the HT-3000 having much more "presence" than the HT-700 for the same presets in a comparison A/B.

Anybody (and you Beltrom) could confirm?

[jacqueslacouth]

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